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Posted by freedomgroup-spfld-il at 12:45 AM on April 20, 2009 Comments comments (2)

Our Opinion: Protest ... but don't ignore facts

THE STATE JOURNAL-REGISTER
Posted Apr 19, 2009 @ 12:07 AM

No matter what your ideology, it’s good when Americans get together to air their beliefs and grievances with the government. The ability to do so separates democracies from totalitarian states.

There’s been much debate over whether the protests held throughout the nation on Wednesday were truly a grassroots phenomenon. Who cares? Hundreds of thousands rallied. When that happens, the message — anti-tax, anti-spending, small government, anti-politician — is worth examining.

At times, the rally here drifted into a hyperbolic, fact-ignoring, I’m-mad-as-hell temper tantrum, rooted in the November election defeat of the conservative and libertarian political philosophy.
There were references to the “silent majority,” the insidious term Richard Nixon used to divide the country during the late 1960s and early ’70s.

Here are a few things toconsider:

n No one likes the bailouts for people who should be punished for their misbehavior. But the process of undoing the harmful economic policies (the lack of regulation of exotic financial products, for example) by the Clinton and Bush administrations will, unfortunately, reward some for failure in order to ensure their mistakes don’t take the rest of us down with them.

n Everyone hates paying taxes, but most of us recently got a tax cut. The tax cut may seem small because payroll taxes have been reduced instead of the government cutting us a check, but it’s an extra $400 annually.

n If Barack Obama is for socialism, it’s for a version unrecognizable in any economics textbook, past or present. Real socialism means that the government would take over the production and distribution of goods and services to ensure that everyone makes the same amount of money. Obama won’t even nationalize the banks, as some liberal economists have urged, in order to end the banking crisis.

n Everyone should be concerned about the federal budget deficit and the accompanying national debt. But in this crisis, like the Great Depression, government must temporarily ramp up spending to stimulate the economy. When the economy recovers and people and businesses resume spending and stimulating the economy on their own (hopefully, in a more responsible manner than before), the government can dial back.

It’s important to remember the United States ran up enormous deficits during World War II (which had the effect of a super-stimulus package) that were eventually brought under control.

Rallies are great exercises of our democratic rights. But we wish they were done with less ranting and more consideration of the facts and totality of the nation’s problems.

 

 

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Larry wrote: (he's not with the sj-r)

 

Essentially it said (1) bailouts are bad but rewarding some failure is necessary to prevent future mistakes, (2) That we do in fact get a $400 tax cut this year, (3) That we aren't socialist because government hasn't taken over all production and distribution of goods and services, and (4) that the stimulus spending is necessary as it was during the New Deal and that when the economy revives the deficits will come under control as they did then.  FInally, it wrapped the editorial with the assertion that we are ranting and raving without looking at all these facts.

The editorial doesn't at all surprise me, but I think it might be our first challenge to address as a group.  We have to respond to public criticism, and immediately.  I don't know if one of us should write a response to the editor, or if we should all send one and sign it as a group.  It doesn't matter to me, but I am willing to compose a draft if you wish.  Some quick response points I can think of to include:

We have a right to be upset when (1) our kids each have a $120,000 burden on merely paying the interest of our coming debt, (2) the Congressed passed a $700,000 bill without even reading it, (3) the coming $12 Trillion bill is unprecedented in our history, (4) We know taxes are a bit lower this year, but we are against spending, because it will result in taxes in the future, and completely unmanageable debt, (5) It is not proven the New Deal stimulus cured the Great Depression, since it lasted so long, and when the war ended we had a world that needed our exports to rebuild, which really did revive us, (6) TARP and the Obama stimulus proves neither party obeys our wishes, (7) we may not be socialist yet, but we are a far cry from the country built on the liberty of our founders, and (8) the government doesn't play by the rules, as evidenced by the Treasury Secretary being a tax cheat.

Furthermore, I think we must disagree we were on a rant or tirade, given that nobody needed tear gas, nothing was thrown, and the grounds were left immaculate.  Finally, the editorial called us out for not looking at all the facts, but gave absolutely no facts of its own backing up what socialism truly is, why the New Deal spending truly did help end the depression, or just how the bailouts, in concrete terms will prevent trouble in the future.

Let me know where you all think we should go with this.  I might even let the 9/12 group aware of this as well. Time is of the essence and our government and the media has to know they are going to hear from us from now on!

Larry

Letter to Congress

Posted by Dave S at 08:36 AM on April 19, 2009 Comments comments (2)

This is a letter written by one of our newest members, Gary.  He has taken the time to let our congress know what he thinks.  It's a great read and idea.  Gary has also started his own blog that you can view at:

http://hobbit73-politico.blogspot.com/ (Gary let me know if this is correct)

To: All Congressmen and women                                                                     April 15, 2009

 

 

Today, April 15th 2009, I had the pleasure of attending a Tea Party in Springfield, IL.  It was well attended however sans the mainstream media coverage.  It was an uplifting, spirited gathering of like-minded people that are just plain fed up with a Federal Government that is totally out of control. The issue is not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Independent, but an American issue!

Throughout the country today hundreds of thousands, and possibly a million people came together in a common cause………the status quo in congress is no longer acceptable to the American people.  There is a huge swell of dissatisfaction with the lack of congressional performance.

 

You seem to forget that you are employees of the citizens of the United States of America, and we are your employers. Your salaries, pension plans, health care packages, and congressional perks are far too generous, and I think significant adjustment should be made to bring them back to the realm of reality. I think we can start with abrogation of your current pension plan, and put you on Social Security like the vast majority of Americans, and an HMO for your health care. As to your salaries, your employer should be the one to determine if your performance has been satisfactory, and if it is we should be the ones to grant a pay raise.  Employees should never have the power to vote themselves a pay raise. A Merit pay raise should be performance based.

 

Then there is the Income tax issue, why do we have an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Tax Code that is 60,000 pages long and is so complex that no one can totally understand it.  There is a simple solution to the problem, scrap the IRS, implement a flat tax plan, or better yet a consumption tax.

 

Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D Roosevelt The American people have been fed incrementally small doses of Statism that has slowly but surely eroded our rights as guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is explicit and unequivocal in its meaning, and that is to protect the people from an intrusive and oppressive government. You know what? You people have not been living up to that guarantee.

 

We the people (your employer) are sick and tired of the uncontrolled spending and ignoring the guidance provided by our Founding Fathers in the Constitution. When you swore on the Holy bible that you “shall be bound by Oath or affirmation, to support the Constitution” it was a sacred oath, and for ethical responsible office holders it should never be breached.  Unfortunately you violate that sacred oath on a daily basis.  It would seem that the Constitution has been relegated to nothing more than a historic document with no relevance in today’s world. We the American people disagree, and want it reinstated to its proper and intended standing as the blue print for guidance of this great country. The Constitution tells us what the Federal Government can and can’t do for example Article1Section 8 lists the enumerated powers, spells out what the Federal Government can do, and the 10th Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United states by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or the people.”

 

For you employees whose approval rating today is uh………33.8% that is hardly a passing grade.  The message promulgated here is, if you continue down this road and continue to disregard the dictates of the Founding Fathers (that would be the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence) we the people can guarantee you, there will undoubtedly be a large turn over in the United states Congress this next election.

 

A college graduate, who is a retired veteran of the United States military, is writing this letter.  I am not some wild-eyed right wing radical that advocates the violent over throw of the United States Government. What I am however is an American citizen, and a patriot that loves his country, and I am disheartened by the actions of a congress that threatens our sovereignty, and the very existence of our country, as we know it. I (we) want our country back. It is your sworn duty as congressmen and congresswomen to reject the political philosophies of Statism, Transnationalism, and Nationalism that have caused decades of erosion of our sovereignty, eroding of our individual rights, and loss of respect in the eyes of the world. Reinstate, and abide by our Constitution.

 

Clearly, fascism, and tyranny have already become evident, particularly with this administration. This is not unlike Nazi Germany in the 1930’s, and must be stopped.

 

Final words, change your ways, straighten up and fly right, otherwise you will feel the wrath of millions of voters at the ballot box this next election. The vox populi will be heard!

 

 

A Red White and Blue American Patriot,

 

 

Gary P. Grubb

United States Air Force (Retired)

254 Shore Drive SW

Edwardsville, IL 62025-5341


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